Jean decided against the PetSmart obedience classes, because she chose a different trainer, that she thought would be better, Kathy Kupper (the last name is pronounced "Cooper").
Our first meeting was set for the Wal-Mart parking lot, in Yelm. Echo had not eaten since early morning, and we were to meet Kathy at 2 PM.
The trip did not go well. Echo started drooling, badly, soon after getting into her crate, in the truck.
Because of her "car sickness", we had to stop at the Nisqually reservation to clean out her crate.
By the time we arrived at the Yelm Wal-Mart, she had "yakked" in her crate again, and had proficient drool on both front paws.
So, we were late.
I think our session with Kathy went well. I'm pretty sure that I received more training than Echo did.
Because I had forgotten her mobile watering bottle, after everything was over, Amy went into Wal-Mart and bought water, and something for Echo to drink from. While she was in the store, I was with Echo, with the doors open, while she was in the crate. She drooled like crazy. I wiped her face, and part of the crate, twice.
Once Amy and I, both got in the truck (and cleaned up the mess), Echo "crashed" hard in the crate, on the way home.
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Let's stop for a minute and examine Echo's "car sickness". (Because, I am not sure that it is "car sickness".)
- With the exception of Kathy(more on that later), today, everyone that has seen Echo and I together, has remarked on the "bond" we have.
- As noted in this blog, I took Echo, in the crate, on numerous trips in the truck, whether I had others with me or not, and there was no "car sickness".
- The first documented episode of "car sickness" was the day I took Echo to pick up Amy from work. Echo was fine, when I went into Amy's workplace. There was no vomit in the crate when I LEFT her in the truck, with the A/C running. When I realized that Amy was not going to be ready to leave work for a bit, I went out to check on Echo. THAT is when I found the vomit in the crate. There were no more problems on the way home. Just when she was left alone in the truck. (I had left her alone, in her crate, with the truck running, before without any issue, just not that long.)
- The next time she went out in the truck was to take her to the vet, with Jean and Pan. On the way there, there was no "car sickness".
- Leaving the vet, I put Echo in her crate, with the door facing the car door (unlike anything I had ever done), and shut the door in her face. For a split second, as the door was closing she gave me a look that was heartbreaking.
- Every time that Jean or Pan put her in a vehicle (including the trip from the vet to Jean's house), according to what I have been told, she "spewed" like Linda Blair in "The Excorsist".
- Her next time in a vehicle, in a crate, was to go see Kathy, today, and she "yakked" twice. So much so, that we stopped at the Nisqullay Reservation to clean the crate out, after the first one.
- After our session with Kathy was over, we put her back in the crate, in our truck, and Amy went into Wal-Mart to use the bathroom, and get Echo some water. ... Echo drooled PROFUSELY during this but did not vomit.
- Once Amy and I got in the truck with her, and she was in her crate, she went to sleep. No drool, no vomit.
- On the way home, I took the way, accidentally, that had the most twists and turns ( a route than can induce "car sickness" in people that are not prone to it). There was no "car sickness". In fact, Echo slept almost all the way home.
Given everything she has gone through over the last few weeks (Going from the breeder to Jean's house for a few days, spending 3 weeks in my house (and us bonding), then back to Jean's, then this trip), I think she has "separation" issues, not "car sickness". ... Whether or not it is "separation anxiety", I don't think that true "car sickness" is her issue. I think travel in a vehicle is the "trigger" of the problem, not the problem itself.
The main reason I believe that is: a) I had taken her on MULTIPLE trips in the truck, with all of the conditions being the same, without any problems; b) the problem grew EXPONENTIALLY the first time that she was put in a crate, in a vehicle, and I was not there for the trip; c) her trip "out" today was bad. (Echo is VERY smart.) After she figured out that she was leaving (going home) with us, THEN, she stopped "yakking", drooling, and went to sleep.
I might not have a completely accurate diagnosis of the problem, but what I know of dogs, and this "Little Girl" tells me that I am on the right track.
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Most of the issues from today's training session were to be expected.
I felt like Amy and I received more training than Echo. That's cool, and as it should be.
I look forward to more sessions with Kathy. I think she is going to be great for Echo.
Spending that time the Wal-Mart parking lot was good for Echo.
We were off in a corner, away from any traffic, or anything that could harm her, but, she was, still, receiving "input" from her environment that she hadn't received before. We went on a walk as a group.
By the end of it, she was exhausted. Kathy, Amy and I were talking, near the end, and Echo just "laid out" on her side, on the asphalt, and went to sleep, at our feet.
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One of the other things to come out of today's training sessions is that Echo didn't want Kathy to touch her back paws.
Other than getting Amy, Jesus, and Andrew to "mess" with her, I'm not sure what to do.
Before Kathy mentioned it, I can't recall Echo having a problem with me "messing with" any of her body parts. I've dug things out of her mouth. I've "messed with her ears. I "pet" all four of her paws on, almost, a daily basis. I rub her belly. I play with her tail. I've wiped drool from her face.... She has no problem with ME doing any of that.
In fact, both sets of shots that she has received, since she left the breeder, I held her, and the vet tech gave the shot.
To test this situation, I have "messed with" both of her back feet, multiple times, tonight. Pet the feet, ran my fingers between the tops of the toes, and ran my fingers around all of the back foot "pads". ... No problem.
In fact, I think she might enjoy me "massaging" her feet.
So, I don't know if I can solve this problem without help from someone else.
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After we came home, she, mostly, crashed for a while, ate, peed, and crashed again.
I had to go out and take care of some extended family issues.
When I came back home, she had just woke up.
We tried the no xpen, let her roam loose thing for a bit. That didn't work well. I think it was primarily because she needed more physical exercise, and "input" that the house and the yard were not giving her.
So, I took her on the kind of walk that Kathy suggested today, just a much shorter time. ... I forgot the "treat pouch", and couldn't work on the "marker word". However, the street was free of enough distractions that is was easy to keep her focused on me, and the walk, without treats, or a "marker word". I had to use "come on" on a fairly regular basis, when her nose caught something that tried to distract her, but it worked well. In general, especially after putting on the vest, she got that we were out for a purpose.
The only thing that was close to a problem was that when we finished "to the park and back", and I tried to get her to cross the street with me, to go back to the house, she was reluctant. (We had to cross the street to get to our driveway.) ... It was after dark, and she had seen multiple cars coming at us, with headlights on. (Once again, Echo is SMART) After a couple went past us, she quit flinching from them as they passed, but, I think she figured out that the middle of the road was where the cars belonged, and she wasn't supposed to go there. ... Of course, the other option is that she wanted to go for a while longer. ... Finally, she was skeptical of the house, until we got to the step, and she could see inside, THEN she recognized it as "home". (She didn't want to cross the street, or walk up the driveway. ... It was, only, once she could see inside the screen door that she was happy to be home.)
Then, I got her inside, removed her vest, took her through the "great room", out into the back yard, she peed, I took her back in, and she crashed HARD. (To clarify "great room": our house does not have a separate "den", "living room", "dining room", "breakfast nook", and "kitchen"; it is all one "great" (or large) room, that is 5 or more living areas in one.)
In fact, except for a few "go in the backyard and 'hurry'" or "get a drink of water" moments, she has been dead asleep either in my lap, the crate, or in her crate, in the x pen.
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It's been a good day.
While I think that Jean, Pan, Kathy, and I have some things to figure out about stuff that is going on with Echo, today has been VERY productive, for Echo.
With that said, once I came home, and after the walk, she has been very "clingy" to me. But it has "let me crash in your lap" clingy, not "'Dad' is home! ... I never thought he would come back!" clingy.
Which could be indicative of a problem I hinted at before with the "car sickness" part.
I'm beginning to think that her "safe place" is not her crate. In fact, I am pretty sure it isn't. I think I might have done the "bond" thing too well. What if, in her mind, her "safe place" is anywhere within my "touch"?
That would explain her hate of the light lead, and how she doesn't, normally, pull at the heavier one. I've been told that one of the primary reasons keep the lead taut is to feel like they are connected to their person. With a heavier lead, she would get that sensation without having to pull. ... And a LOT of other things.
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Some things to think about.
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Here are the pictures that Amy took today (for those of you that need a "Cast of Characters" list: Echo is wearing the "Service Dog In Training" vest; I have the baggy jeans, the dark green shirt, and the thinning hair; and Kathy is the one who looks like she knows what she is doing.):
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I know I have stayed up too late doing all of this for one reason: Echo has either gotten out of the crate, at my feet; or crawled out of my lap, and walked to the bedroom door and looked up me, like: "Let's go to bed.", TWICE!
At least in this way, she is, already, acting like a service dog, because she is right. I should have been in bed before she said it was time for us to go to bed.
I could write more, but, I am going to take Echo's advice, and go to bed. ... I learned a LONG time ago that there are certain things that you shouldn't question, and trust your dog.






































